sábado, 19 de abril de 2008

LAST OF THE TUDORS Vs. SUTTON DUDLEYS, BY LORD CLONARD.


"EL ÚLTIMO DE LOS TUDORES"
Re: Soc. History Medieval (Feb.29.2008 - 3:04)


THE DEBATE WAS RAISED BY A CERTAIN GROUP OF ENGLISH GENEALOGISTS (PROFESIONALS OR NOT) ON THE TOPIC "THE IRISH COUNTS DE CLONARD", WHICH STARTED FROM THIS MAIL.


El debate planteado en Internet por un cierto grupo de genealogistas ingleses (profesionales o no) sobre el tema "Los Condes de Clonard Irlandeses" comenzó a partir de este correo electrónico.


Dear friends,

I am a member of the Anglo-Norman-Irish-Spanish family: "De Sutton-Dudley et De Borbón" branch (by female lineage since 1923) called de Clonard, now mainly living in Spain, France and UK as old Jacobite descendants.

My name is Joseph G. T. de Sutton (IX Count de Clonard in Spain, since 1770 -N.B. : "Surnames as Le Teuton, Sutton, Dudley, Sutton-Dudley, De Sotto or De Sotton, belong all of them to the same family, same souche") and it is a pleasure for me, in respect to the a.m. subject, to give you some clues:

1. If you are in a position to accept that sometimes the History contains errors, including our History (England, Ireland..etc) then please allow me to recommend you the following electronic book:

http://www.sirbacon.org/vonkunow.html


The title: "LAST OF THE TUDORS" - Historian: Lady Amelie Deventer von Kunow -1924
The access is free.

2. Also, and in respect to the 2nd. Earl of Essex, (the same for Francis Bacon, his brother) nothing is new for our family and myself because we are at the same time Sutton-Dudleys and Devereux descendants too.

Indeed we know for centuries that Robert Jr. and Francis were children of HM. the Queen Elizabeth I Tudor with Robert De Sutton-Dudley Earl of Leicester, Lord Protector, and a long etc.
(Please see their secret marriage details in the book edited in 1924).

This chapter of the History of England is wrong, as many other in France or in Spain, I would say this is not an exception.

It is also true that an important nber. of genealogies were erased during and after the "Religious Wars" for example in Ireland, and now I recognize that very often it is almost impossible for example to clearly see the Global Ancestry of a specific Irish or Anglo-Irish Catholic family, including our "Sutton-Dudleys" all of them descendants of Balderich Le Teuton (Teutonic) Duke de Neuville in France (Normandy).

If you are interested in our History and Genealogy (including the Irish branch) or if you have additional available information on the same topic, please do not hesitate to contact me to:

joseph@suttonclonard.com

I promise you to do my very best.



You also are invited to visit "Lord Clonard IX - Borbón" Web page, space reserved to:
"Questions and Replies" (Spanish version)

Or.... you can also see more details in my Web site : http://suttonclonard.com/Summary.htm in English, or http://suttonclonard.com/Summary_Sp.htm in Spanish


Kind regard.
CLONARD IX.




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